Random Thoughts: Style Edition

LovePunch (This post was last modified: April 16, 2012 02:11 PM by LovePunch.) April 16, 2012 02:09 PM

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(April 16, 2012 12:24 PM)Rob said: This is a tough one. I think a lot of people get into Japanese fashion because of the sense of freedom regarding fashion norms, a sense of "anything goes". It's almost inevitable that this will lead to bullshit looks from people who haven't really developed their style.

See, I don't think of it this way. From what I see, a lot of people get into Japanese fashion based on preconceived notions of what Japanese fashion is, without any research into actual trends or looks beyond maybe lolita, OTT gal and decora. It's not so much "anything goes, and that's cool because there are no boundaries on me developing my style" as a first thought. More like "I want to look like I'm cosplaying everyday and pass it off as having an eclectic fashion sense." Which leads to a lot of people into J-fashion not actually having any tangible sense of style beyond throwing every color in the rainbow in their outfit. And it's ok because this is Japanese fashion and "anything goes" and anyone who criticizes it is just being a stickler for "invisible style rules"


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(April 16, 2012 02:09 PM)LovePunch said: Which leads to a lot of people into J-fashion not actually having any tangible sense of style beyond throwing every color in the rainbow in their outfit. And it's ok because this is Japanese fashion and "anything goes" and anyone who criticizes it is just being a stickler for "invisible style rules"

Amen

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(April 16, 2012 12:38 PM)brad-t said: [Image: Harajuku-Kawaii-Street-Snaps-2012-Spring...00x450.jpg]

so kawaii

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(April 16, 2012 02:09 PM)LovePunch said: See, I don't think of it this way. From what I see, a lot of people get into Japanese fashion based on preconceived notions of what Japanese fashion is, without any research into actual trends or looks beyond maybe lolita, OTT gal and decora. It's not so much "anything goes, and that's cool because there are no boundaries on me developing my style" as a first thought. More like "I want to look like I'm cosplaying everyday and pass it off as having an eclectic fashion sense." Which leads to a lot of people into J-fashion not actually having any tangible sense of style beyond throwing every color in the rainbow in their outfit. And it's ok because this is Japanese fashion and "anything goes" and anyone who criticizes it is just being a stickler for "invisible style rules"

Man, this is going on Tumblr.

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I agree with LovePunch whole heartedly, but at the same time, I don't see the point in hardcore complaining about people's bad taste and bad attitudes when we're setting a new standard as a Japanese fashion community. :S

(Unless no one is actually hardcore complaining, I'm not really sure, haha.)

Zanda (This post was last modified: April 16, 2012 02:54 PM by Zanda.) April 16, 2012 02:53 PM

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@Lovepunch +hearts

Although half of me thinks well, the mad stuff showcased on Tokyo fashion / similar snap sites - as much as they are tacky, clutter, hot mess material, at least these people are having fun with dressing up, so let them be. & my routes/discoveries of jfashion (and I bet many can agree) are along those same lines.
Maybe one day they'd grow out of it, I like that in Japan you don't have to though.

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(April 16, 2012 02:42 PM)galism said: I agree with LovePunch whole heartedly, but at the same time, I don't see the point in hardcore complaining about people's bad taste and bad attitudes when we're setting a new standard as a Japanese fashion community. :S

(Unless no one is actually hardcore complaining, I'm not really sure, haha.)

I don't think anyone is hardcore complaining, but it's sort of annoying to have our hobby portrayed this way en masse.

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It's not so much complaining as..Disillusion I guess? This community is very much an outlier as far as Japanese fashion enthusiasts go, and that is why. Also, new J-fashion followers skew quite young, and tend not to stick with it as they outgrow that stage because they don't know anything beyond the OTT stuff they wouldn't wear anymore. So with that in mind, I think it's good for newcomers to learn a lot, even a bit outside of what may interest them currently, because that might be their new direction after they get all the KyaryPamyuPamyu out of their systems.


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unpopular opinion that many would cut me for buuut KyaryPamyuPamyu is the worst thing that ever happened to Japan pop culture and Japanese fashion.

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(April 16, 2012 03:12 PM)Zanda said: unpopular opinion that many would cut me for buuut KyaryPamyuPamyu is the worst thing that ever happened to Japan pop culture and Japanese fashion.

Unpopular opinion but I think many here including myself would agree.

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In the J-electronic music community, a lot of people also hold this opinion :P


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(April 16, 2012 02:09 PM)LovePunch said: More like "I want to look like I'm cosplaying everyday and pass it off as having an eclectic fashion sense."

I think this is too harsh. I'd say most people who get into japanese fashion do it because they want to look cool, regardless of how gaudy the outcome may be. The first steps in any sort of fashion are tough, and it's even harder when you don't have direct access to the shops/literature/community that you're trying to get into. Which is kind of why we're here.

In my experience, people often move into Japanese fashion from anime, games or j-rock, and that makes sense given the emphasis on character design and costume design. It raises the awareness of people who wouldn't normally be interested in clothes, and I don't think that in itself is a bad thing.

But look at how many resources are available just for menswear beginners, and compare that to Japanese fashion. Almost every week on Reddit's malefashionadvice there's some newbie posting his epiphany about how he shaved for a job interview, or asking about what basics to buy and if he should get his boxy suit tailored. There's tumblr bloggers who do nothing but give tips to beginners. Even StyleZeitgeist has a long (and belligerent) "Where to start" topic, as do SF and Sufu. The japanese fashion community, on the other hand, is much less helpful and much less engaged with its newbies. In part because "japanese fashion" is an almost unworkably broad concept, in part because it really is less dogmatic. But the end result is that so many people are simply winging it based on a handful of online references.

Sure, there's an insecurity element that benefits from being able to say "you can't criticize, this is a different aesthetic", but is that so different from goth, punk, glam, and other "accepted" subcultures?

The fashion vs. cosplay debate is another can of worms. A 20-something american guy dressed like a 50-something neapolitan gentleman is a kind of cosplay, and so is dressing like Vampire Hunter D.

EDIT: I realize that some niches like lolita and gyaru can be pretty engaged and helpful, but that still leaves out a huge spectrum.

We've come a long way, and yet Joker's "Engel" AMV is still the best of all time.

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(April 16, 2012 03:03 PM)LovePunch said: Also, new J-fashion followers skew quite young, and tend not to stick with it as they outgrow that stage because they don't know anything beyond the OTT stuff they wouldn't wear anymore.

That's one thing I'm always quick to forget about members of Japanese fashion communities. I assume I'm dealing with people relatively my own age, but in some cases, I'm talking to kids who are twelve and thirteen years old. That always blows my mind a little bit.

Being almost 25, as far as the Japanese fashion community is concerned, I'm a dinosaur, haha. Just call me Galosaurus Rex. :B


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I'm having a bit of trouble coming up with what I want to say about this... I think this is an important discussion, especially for a community like this one, which as LovePunch said, is pretty rare. Part of me really hates street snaps like the one Brad posted, but this is mostly because to me it (often) represents a shallow understanding of Japan. That by itself is mostly fine, but what irks me is when it's accompanied by a professed extreme interest in Japan and Japanese culture that the person obviously doesn't really know much about, but is still ready to tell misinformation to anybody around (like yes, everybody watches anime in Japan, everybody). This could get me into a whole different mess of the perceived otherness of Japan, but really my point here is, it bothers me, but what bothers me is not really the fashion per se. I think Rob makes a really good point about how this community can sort of be a gateway into a wider understanding of Japanese fashion. I know I personally would still know very little about any of the major brands in Japan without Harajuju. As far as the clothes themselves, I think people everywhere can have bad taste... honestly, if they are having fun and not being dicks, it's mostly alright by me. Although I still do really hate that that's still somehow what a lot of people think of as Japanese fashion, and I think those sorts of street snaps do contribute to that, so that can kind of piss me off sometimes. Oh well, like I said, I haven't totally sorted everything out in my head yet.

(April 16, 2012 06:57 PM)galism said: Being almost 25, as far as the Japanese fashion community is concerned, I'm a dinosaur, haha. Just call me Galosaurus Rex. :B

Lol galism, I guess that makes me an old dinosaur!

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From Galaabend's AW12 lookbook:

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Are "unwelcome homosexual advances" in vogue now?

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LOL

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~Anna Sui

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Anna Sui appreciation blog: Rock on! Anna Sui

Looking for


70s style bell bottom jeans
Gold metallic like this or beige bejeweled heels like that

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This is a really great idea for a fashion start-up. Hopefully it takes off, so many others have failed in this area.

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Sounds like a great service -- selling used clothes is always a pain. However, I think this is totally off-base and shows the author's lack of experience here:

QuoteThreadflip’s biggest challenge, however, will still be convincing users that free listing services like Craiglist are not better options in the long run.

Nobody is listing designer goods on Craigslist. It's either eBay or niche communities, which are becoming more popular because buyers on eBay don't appreciate the real value of a product and eBay fees are getting ridiculous. However, this site is charging a 15% fee which is very high when you compare to niche communities where you have to pay ... 0%. I think this service could be very popular for household names like Chanel and Gucci, but I don't expect to see any niche labels there.

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Coming in at 28, I got you beat Galism ;)

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lol

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